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    Jeff Rueter

    November 10, 2016
    The Angle
    With Golden Boot Secured, Clock is Running on Ramirez Negotiations

    Christian Ramirez has been the poster-boy of Minnesota United since he scored in his debut for the club in 2014. As the club begins its transition to MLS, time is running out for negotiations to secure his future in Minnesota.

    It was never going to be a simple negotiation between club and player.

    At 25, Minnesota United striker Christian Ramirez is coming off another career season, scoring 18 goals in NASL league play while securing the league’s Golden Boot for the second time in three seasons (he came in second the year he didn’t win). Across 90 matches since joining United in 2014, Ramirez has scored 51 goals, making him the most efficient scorer in modern NASL history and simultaneously one of the two most prominent players in Minnesota’s recent club history (alongside winger Miguel Ibarra).

    In 2015, Minnesota United sold Ibarra to Liga MX side Club Leon for a transfer fee which is believed to be around $1,000,000. Now, they have to make a decision about their talented young striker.

    Grass Always Greener

    When Ramirez spoke about his impending contract expiry in June, he made it clear that it wasn’t on the forefront of his mind. “I don’t put too much thought into it,” Ramirez affirmed at the time. “I know that I’m here this year… (W)hatever comes next will follow that. Whether that’s MLS in Minnesota or playing abroad or even staying in this league, I’m keeping an open mind.”

    But now that the season is over, his future will almost certainly be on his mind. The club has already signed veterans Justin Davis and Kevin Venegas to MLS contracts and negotiations are beginning for other players. Ramirez did not want to comment for this story, but sources have verified that he has been negotiating with the club off and on for some time now.

    When the Loons locked down full backs Justin Davis and Kevin Venegas, there was a lingering question among fans: “Where’s Christian?” It’s believed that Minnesota United and Ramirez still have a gulf between their offer and his requests, with the striker reportedly looking to be paid as an established player, rather than a young striker with something to prove. It’s also believed that Ramirez was earning less than $100k each season he was in NASL, adding to a notion of a player wanting to earn what he’s worth.

    Christian Ramirez Minnesota United
    Photo: Jeremy Olson

    Established strikers in MLS tend to make salaries between $250k-$300k. Columbus’ Ola Kamara, coming from the Austrian Bundesliga, earns $425k a year. Houston’s Will Bruin, an MLS veteran who has scored 50 goals across 6 full seasons (and just 4 in 31 matches this season) makes $310k. Philadelphia’s C.J. Sapong, a six-year veteran who’s never scored more than 9 goals in a single season, earns $225k.

    Like Ibarra in 2015, Ramirez may have had a summer offer to consider. Sources have revealed at least one offer came in for the striker this past summer from “a prominent Liga MX club” which would have more than tripled Ramirez’s NASL salary. It’s believed that Minnesota rejected this transfer offer. Even before the previous summer window, clubs from Mexico and MLS have made offers, which Ramirez has turned down to solidify a place in Minnesota. As United signs their players to 12-month contracts, he’s guaranteed a salary through the end of November.

    Working on a Deadline

    As the 2016 season wore on, the notion of “who do you take from NASL?” was a staple of debates between United fans at bars, matches, and in online forums. It’s believed that Minnesota United has until November 30 to finalize contracts with their NASL players. This gives the club three more weeks to finalize deals with players like Ramirez, and the club is far from his only suitor.

    There are still multiple clubs that are courting Ramirez. From my sources, Ibarra’s Club Leon is not one of those clubs. However, it’s believed that Santos Laguna is making a run for his services. Beyond that, there’s a pull from teams outside of Minnesota in MLS, whispers of a record-breaking salary from high-spending NASL clubs (this is most likely a pipe dream), as well as interest from clubs in his father’s home-nation: Colombia.

    Taking Care of the Family

    For Ramirez, there’s more to this than being paid what he’s due on the field. Ramirez comes from a family of six. As he explained to Wes Burdine for the 2015 Complete Darkness, the family lives in a small apartment:

    “[Ramirez’s] family of six live in a low-income apartment with two bedrooms. When he comes home to visit, Christian either stays with a friend or on the couch. “Imagine it’s four of us, plus my parents,” he says. His father works third shift at a munitions factory. “That’s a big reason that I want to earn a contract where I can start helping my dad pay for a house. For him one day to change shifts at work, that would be the dream.”

    This is where the stalemate becomes about more than just soccer. On one side, there’s a club looking at a player who hasn’t played in a first-tier league in his career. Despite his prolific scoring in the second-tier, there’s a shade of risk that comes with giving a larger salary to an unproven player.

    On the other side, there’s a player who’s been the best player in a club’s six-year history, who has earned praise from Klinsmann on Twitter, and is looking to better not just his own life, but the lives of his family. After three years of establishing himself, this is the biggest negotiation of his young career thus far. Simultaneously, it’s the single biggest decision that Minnesota United will make going into their inaugural MLS season.

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    12 responses to “With Golden Boot Secured, Clock is Running on Ramirez Negotiations”

    1. Chris RB Avatar
      Chris RB
      November 10, 2016

      Pay the man. He’s proven at the NASL level, and will AT WORST be a quality sub or 2nd stringer. At best he’s a starter.

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      1. nathan3e Avatar
        nathan3e
        November 10, 2016

        Let’s say for the sake of argument that he settles in as a quality bench option. Is that worth 300K?

        I can see it from both sides. He needs an increased salary for multiple very good reasons. From the club’s perspective they have to ask how many of his goals have been scored against MLS quality defenders. Let’s hope they meet in the middle, because the MLS cap doesn’t allow for loyalty bonuses.

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        1. Chris RB Avatar
          Chris RB
          November 10, 2016

          Depends a lot on how many years his contract is for. If he’s a bench option at 300K, hopefully the deal is just a couple years. Personally, I’d sign him to a year long contract at $300 and adjust from there. If he’s a bench option, down a bit, if he’s a set starter, there or higher depending.

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          1. Jim Oliver Avatar
            Jim Oliver
            November 10, 2016

            If you’re paying 200k to a healthy 25-year old and your plan is to use him as a sub until he wins the starting job the salary you should be worried about the most is your own. That is a bad, bad deal in MLS.

            I mean, if the guy’s selling shirts like crazy and is the full-time face of the club, great. But he’s not going to be that until he’s getting 80 minutes a game and scoring 5 goals a month.

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            1. Chris RB Avatar
              Chris RB
              November 10, 2016

              That’s not MY plan. My plan is sign him, start him till he proves he can’t do the job. That’s why it’s a short, 1/2 year deal.

              Then again, I have faith that he’s an MLS-level striker.

            2. Jim Oliver Avatar
              Jim Oliver
              November 10, 2016

              The 1/2 year deal thing might be the final nail in the coffin. More than that is too much to gamble cap space-wize, and he’d be crazy to take that, especially if he’s got Los Guerreros on the phone.

            3. Chris RB Avatar
              Chris RB
              November 10, 2016

              Yep. Depends on how much he wants to stay here etc etc etc. No way I’m going more than 2 years with just about anyone who isn’t proven worth their contract in MLS. Unless I absolutely have to.

            4. nathan3e Avatar
              nathan3e
              November 10, 2016

              At 25 with interest from elsewhere he’s not going to accept a 1 year deal, nor should he. This is his chance. He may have to go elsewhere to double or triple his salary. Whether we like it or not, it’s a significant risk to take up a lot of cap space with a player who has never scored a goal in an MLS level league.

    2. BJ Avatar
      BJ
      November 10, 2016

      I said it before. If him and the club are 20K apart it will be a done deal soon. If they are more than that apart he is gone.

      Given the numbers in the above I would put his number around $175K ($155 – 195K) and a 2 year contract, at 25-26 he can get an extension after year 1 that would be long term for more. If team is offering much less shame on them. If he is asking for much more, good for him but my guess is MLS just will not allow a contract any higher. Remember it’s not just the team that is offering the contract it is MLS, they can’t set a precedent.

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      1. ken Avatar
        ken
        November 10, 2016

        I know that MLS holds player contracts but do they actually get involved in second guessing whether a player is worth the salary that a club negotiates? I doubt that. My take on the above numbers puts Christian closer to the low $200s. I would pay him that and up to $300K. Can the issue be resolved through the use of bonuses for games started, goals, etc.?

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        1. BJ Avatar
          BJ
          November 10, 2016

          Yes, they have gotten involved when teams have tried to sign players for more than ‘they’ think they are worth.

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    3. Doug Foss Avatar
      Doug Foss
      November 10, 2016

      IMO, people seem to be over estimating lower division soccer. Historically speaking players who come from lower divisions of soccer to MLS usually start 5 to 10 MLS games per year. This club should not give him established MLS forward money until he proves that he is a MLS forward. I want to see him do well but paying him over 200K is a huge gamble especially when most expansion players are not with the parent club after the second year. I hope the club can sign but I get a feeling this signing will not be announced until the 12th hour of negotiations.

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