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    Wes Burdine

    October 24, 2016
    The Angle
    Will Minnesota United FC Be the Worst Team in the History of MLS?

    Why fret yourself over the frustrations and disappointments of the current Loons season when you could start panicking about 2017? An off-handed comment from Sports Illustrated’s Grant Wahl has inspired new dimensions to Minnesota United fans’ #PANIC that were previously unheard of to this point.

    In his regular Mailbag feature, Wahl responded to a tweet from @4rest4thetrees asking for a prediction on the over/under of wins for Minnesota United’s inaugural MLS season. Wahl’s response was dire to say the least (read the whole context here; trigger warning: auto-playing video):

    “I can’t tell you how many coaches, GMs and agents there are who are saying Minnesota in its first year might be one of the worst teams in MLS history on the field…. Anyway, to answer your question, Chicago and Houston have the lowest number of wins in MLS at seven. Over/under for Minnesota in 2017 is five.”*

    *Editor’s note: Wahl is saying that the lowest number of wins is seven this season, not all time. Numerous clubs have finished with fewer than seven wins. DC United finished 2013 with only three wins, so even a five-win season would save Minnesota from being the worst team in MLS history.

    A fire emoji has not yet been invented for such a take. Before the team has even signed a single player, the Loons are predicted to be the worst team in the history of the league. Now, in fairness, Grant’s opinion isn’t conjured ex nihilo. Rather, it’s based on quite a few conversations he’s had with GMs and agents around the league, so I think it’s worth investigating what’s going on here.

    Let’s begin by recognizing that they all may just be right: the Loons could certainly be absolutely terrible. Most likely, the best they can aim for is pushing for the last playoff spot. That’s not just a Minnesota issue, expansion teams struggle in every league, including MLS.

    The question, though, is how does anyone know if they’ll be terrible or world beaters when they literally have no players for their MLS squad? There are two possibilities. The first is that in contrast to Atlanta United, Minnesota has been quiet—nay, mute. This has been by design: Manny Lagos will not answer any substantive questions about 2017 while the NASL season is going on. Though its perhaps coincidental, the Loons’ precipitous drop in results for the fall season followed the MLS announcement in August.

    Meanwhile, Atlanta United made a splashy coaching hire in former Barcelona and Argentina manager, Tata Martino; they have an academy that’s already produced two homegrown signings, and is winning at youth levels; they have former Premier League striker Kenwyne Jones and some kids you’ve never heard of. In addition, they have sold a lot of tickets.

    That Grant Wahl mentions the attendance and atmosphere makes me suspect that part of the conversation comparing the two is not even about on the pitch preparation. I’m not even sure how a team with two players over the age 23 can be described as “look[ing] set to be competitive in season one on the field.” It is also worth noting that Kenwyne Jones, their only “name” signing, is a 32 year-old who has scored an average of 7.45 goals per season.

    As has always been the case with Minnesota United, though, in the deafening silence created by their “no comments,” the narrative will be filled in for them. So, the expectations for the Loons entering the league are basement-level.

    The other possibility (these aren’t either/or possibilities) for what these GMs and agents are basing this conjecture on is that these folks have a decent sense of what type of squad Manny Lagos is trying to build. They will have an idea of the money that Minnesota is looking to spend on players, what players they may be looking at, or what players they have looked over. These are not precise measurements, but they can often give a good approximation of what a team will look like. But are other league GMs really paying close attention to Minnesota as their own season goes on?

    What Kind of Team Will They Be, Then?

    So, what do we do with this apocalyptic prediction? On one hand, I think this conversation should be taken seriously. I would hope that this sort of talk would cause a fire to be burning underneath ownership and front office executives for the club. For as many gains they have had in the United era, they have still not completely succeeded: they are not selling their stadium out to capacity and they have only won one trophy for a 10 match spring season.

    But I think it’s worthwhile looking at a few expansions for comparison. The Philadelphia Union, for example, have always had the smallest pockets in the league and their inaugural roster was—how do I say this gently—not good. Their leading goal scorer was Sebastien Le Toux and their big money signings were Danny Califf and Fred. This team still managed to get eight wins.

    Or, look at the Portland Timbers. Their capture of Diego Valeri is often cited as the new gold standard for designated players: doesn’t break the bank, game-changing, and not an aging European. The Timbers are in many ways the most comparable expansion to Minnesota: longtime, rabid fan base, not a major market, and not big spenders. Portland did not start off with a stellar roster or a big name manager and yet they finished just outside the playoffs in their inaugural season.

    I think what is happening here is that people are really having their heads turned by the hype of Atlanta. Do not get me wrong, Atlanta’s ticket sales, their smart and strategic academy moves, and their ambitious capture of Tata Martino are very impressive. But do we really think Atlanta is going to avoid the pitfalls of Orlando and NYCFC or any other expansion side who immediately wanted to make a splash (paging Toronto FC)? Atlanta is making a lot of smoke, yes, but there is absolutely no reason to think there is a fire until you see what kind of team they have in February.

    Of course, Minnesota is going to pale in comparison. No one has ever paid us any regard. We have two academies in our state and have one of the longest-running histories of sustained professional soccer in the country and yet the only expectations are for four horsemen to take the field in March.

    I come out of this whole conversation with a few conclusions. The first is that mediocre squads do not necessarily equal apocalyptically bad results. Second, there is certainly reason to be skeptical of Minnesota United’s ability to compete year one. Third, the current skepticism is largely based on incomplete data sets. Fourth, the Colorado Rapids almost won the goddamned MLS Supporters Shield, everybody, so let’s just dispel the fiction once and for all that any observers (general managers, agents, writers, or fans) know what will happen in MLS; it is a crazy league.

    Fifth, everybody #PANIC.

    #PANIC, Grant Wahl, Minnesota United FC, MLS
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    16 responses to “Will Minnesota United FC Be the Worst Team in the History of MLS?”

    1. Doug Foss Avatar
      Doug Foss
      October 24, 2016

      Solid work. Finally, somebody with a clear, concrete vision of what’s going on here. After this lousy season is over we are going to hear many press releases. We can all relax now. lol Thanks Wes!

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      1. Wes Avatar
        Wes
        October 24, 2016

        No, no #PANIC!!!!

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    2. Jake Avatar
      Jake
      October 24, 2016

      I love the MN scepticism here! We are already used to thinking our teams will finish dead last anything above that is a plus. I don’t think United will be great, but I totally agree with the fact that Atlanta is a nice team now, but none of those guys have played together, they have never played Tata’s system, and they are super young! I would say Minnesota should look for 6-8 wins and 26-32 points, and establish a rival in SKC to go out and beat. Portland had Seattle which made those games fun, even if Seattle was better at the time.

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    3. Alex Schieferdecker Avatar
      Alex Schieferdecker
      October 24, 2016

      I also think that MLS GMs are probably underrating NASL a bit. Not to be an NASL homer, because the league is definitely closer to USL than to MLS, but I think we have more players who can play in MLS than MLS GMs might think.

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    4. nathan3e Avatar
      nathan3e
      October 24, 2016

      I’ll posit that these guesswork expert opinions mean niente, bupkis, nothing.

      Totally random example: Bob Bradley drafts Olivier Occean. No one had ever heard of him so it was time to chortle at Bradley’s wasted pick. Bradley takes him to preseason in Spain where he’s immediately poached and he’s been playing in Europe since.

      Manny is the only one who knows what is happening and he’s not saying. Also, Kenwyne Jones? Who else was competing for his signature?

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    5. Chris RB Avatar
      Chris RB
      October 24, 2016

      I, for one, just hope Minnesota can show the proper amount of grit, work ethic, and toughness. When someone comes in with a hard tackle, punch them in the nose. See if THAT ever happens again* ^

      *to be read in as sarcastic a tone as one can muster

      ^this is a kind of subtweet at hockey fans telling me Charlie Coyle’s two fights will pay dividends over the course of the season.

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    6. assassinave Avatar
      assassinave
      October 24, 2016

      From the highlights I’ve been watching the last two years, United definitely has some flair that I honestly don’t see from MLS teams occasionally. As Man U is proving, a bunch of great players does not make a great team.

      Assembling the right group of players that can play together, that don’t quit and for F’s sake (as a current Sounders fan) look like they enjoy/like playing offensive-minded football is fundamental.

      Honestly this MLS season was terrible. When Dallas is the best team, you know the league is still not a prime-time watch.

      I’m unsure how many folks you take with you to MLS, but have some fun and buy some players that can at least like to advance up the field, even if it might cause some defensive liability. Defenses take time, but make it delightful for the fans to watch.

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    7. Jim Oliver Avatar
      Jim Oliver
      October 24, 2016

      I just want one reason to not #PANIC. Just one.

      Reply
      1. nathan3e Avatar
        nathan3e
        October 24, 2016

        We are in MLS. We will have own stadium. No MLS announcements will be made until the NASL season is over. #BASTA.

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        1. Jim Oliver Avatar
          Jim Oliver
          October 25, 2016

          If you were able to announce “We’re gonna be in MLS next year for sure!” during the NASL season, I don’t get why you can’t announce some player and management decisions too. At the very least “CR21 is with us for sure” smacks of that shit just not getting done, not just that they’re sitting on it until they win the ‘Bowl.

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          1. nathan3e Avatar
            nathan3e
            October 25, 2016

            If I had to guess, and this is just a guess, they are obligated to at least pretend they give a shit about NASL until they are done playing in the league. The MLS announcement was simply redisclosing what everyone already knew. Regardless, the lack of news hasn’t exactly crushed advanced ticket sales and player announcements will sell more tickets as the season approaches.

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    8. Steve Lilly Avatar
      Steve Lilly
      October 25, 2016

      Has everyone forgotten it’s a game. As long as it looks like there are 11 players working together for each other anything is possible. Who cares how good or bad people think they will be lets see how good they are. To Wes’s point name 1 starting player for the 1st game of the 2017 season let alone the last.

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    9. Etch Avatar
      Etch
      October 26, 2016

      I am sort of a one thing at a time guy. The Loons are in the NASL and need to go out with a bang. Take care of the Cosmos first and see what happens next is what I say. Now is the time for NASL business. first.

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    10. Randy Swandy Avatar
      Randy Swandy
      October 26, 2016

      Grant Wahl is a pile of crap.

      Reply
    11. Eric Beckman Avatar
      Eric Beckman
      October 30, 2016

      I think the take here is right on target, and I want to extend it with a bit of a rant. I see no reason why Christian Ramirez can’t score as many goals as Kenwyne Jones, whose strike rate in England was slightly under MLS’s Kevin Doyle. But, Jones and Doyle were both more impressive in England than Bradley Wright-Phillips. So… we don’t know.

      What irritates me about Wahl’s gossiping is the absence of self-awareness about MLS itself. Relative to each other, the good teams aren’t that good and the bad teams aren’t that bad. A supposedly terrible Houston team drew with a Colorado team playing for a shot at the supporters’ shield on the last day of the season. The league’s parity is by design, so everyone should be aware of it. So, tactics, luck (including the unbalanced schedule), injuries, and runs of form loom large. This isn’t necessarily bad. The league is stable, competitive, and more watchable than ever. But, it does mean that outliers are unlikely.

      Finally, the lionization of an Atlanta team that killed an existing soccer team, tried to take a successful team’s name, and will be playing on a plastic-pitch built for an NFL team flys in the face of MLS’s supposed interest in promoting “soccer in the US”. I know the league that we played in for the past few years is also ridiculous, and going to MLS is a huge positive. This sort of tripe is still goofy..

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    12. Daniel Avatar
      Daniel
      December 18, 2016

      I want to try out for this team so badly. I know I can help them

      Reply

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