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    Matt Privratsky

    April 3, 2017
    The Angle
    True North Elite: Aggression, Intensity, and Telling Others to F— Off

    While much has been made of Minnesota United’s first supporters’ group, the Dark Clouds, True North Elite are an alternative supporters’ group with a harder edge. A much harder edge. Supporters groups may not be for everyone, and True North Elite, for better or worse, seem to thrive on not being for everyone and actually enjoying getting in peoples faces.

    As Minnesota United FC prepared for its first matches of the 2017 season, nearly everything seemed new. The club is playing in a new league (Major League Soccer), with a new head coach (Adrian Heath), in a new home venue (TCF Bank Stadium), with a roster primarily comprised of new players. Some of the most notable holdovers from Minnesota’s previous campaigns may be the fans themselves. While the Dark Clouds may have a longer history and larger profile, True North Elite aren’t afraid to make themselves heard.

    I remember looking at Mykel [Hosek], a co-founder, and saying, ‘Don’t you feel like you could get punched in the face at any given moment?’ and he was like ‘yeah.’ I loved it.” -Nicholas Bisbee

    Justin Davis, one of a few players who was a Loon before the move to MLS, has definitely noticed.

    “I think without them this isn’t what it is,” Davis says. “Given where the game is today in the U.S., you need those supporters groups. Without those guys, why do you even come to work?”

    Back to where it started

    For the guys at True North Elite, the opening match in Portland was something of a reunion. As TNE co-founder Nicholas Bisbee tells it, it was the energy at a Portland match a few years ago that made them realize what they were missing.

    “The tension in the air was so thick,” Bisbee says. “It felt like the whole scene was tapering on the edge of violence at all times. I remember looking at Mykel [Hosek], a co-founder, and saying, ‘Don’t you feel like you could get punched in the face at any given moment?’ and he was like ‘yeah.’ I loved it.”

    When True North Elite was founded, the group was focused entirely on creating an intense gameday atmosphere. They liked what other fans were doing to support the club and ultimately thought a more aggressive edge was the only thing missing. Or, as Phil Cross (another co-founder) puts it, “The biggest thing for us was intensity. We wanted a supporter culture that was intense for every minute of every match.”

    “Louder is gooder”

    At TCF Bank Stadium, members of True North Elite stand shoulder-to-shoulder with members of the Dark Clouds in the supporters section behind the east goal. For Abe Opoti, a Dark Clouds board member and capo, the intensity is a good thing.

    “The fun thing is looking over when they’re really fired up and Nicholas and Mykel are storming up and down in front of the section trying to get everyone as fired up as possible,” Opoti says. “The greater number of supporters we can have, the better the experience is going to be.”

    Loud in the 9,000-seat National Sport Center in Blaine was one thing. However, with the move to the temporary 55,000-seat home at TCF Bank Stadium, supporters have to kick it into another gear to make themselves heard.

    Opoti put it simply, “Louder is gooder.”

    “The whole clever not crude mantra seemed a little campy to us. It feels really good to tell someone to fuck off. I don’t want it to be clever. I want it to be plain spoken. Fuck. Off.”
    – Nicholas Bisbee

    The cider chug heard ’round the world

    MNUFC full back Justin Davis agreed that the change of venue is challenging. But he also sees his years of playing in Blaine as a real asset.

    “I think it was special up in Blaine because it built the connection between the fans and the players,” Davis says. “It really helped bring us to this moment now. Hopefully we can keep an aspect of that as things get bigger.”

    In particular, Davis wouldn’t mind continuing his tradition of robbing True North Elite members of their hard cider.

    Live & breathe for this club pic.twitter.com/n3zNpfh6OL

    — True North Elite (@TrueNorthElite) August 18, 2016

    “It wasn’t even with them to start with,”  Davis says. “It was a guy named Matt [Fitzke], and I stole his drink first. Then, they took it and it kind of just evolved into this whole thing. Everyone seemed to like it, and now other guys have jumped in on it. Carl [Craig] jumped in on it, so we’ll see what Adrian’s up to.”

    For Bisbee, connections like that are what make pouring his heart and soul into each and every match.

    “We’d break our backs just to have five minutes, and they get to do it for a living,” Bisbee says. “When you see Justin Davis come sprinting over to our section to chug ciders and wrap you up in a bear hug, it’s all worth it.”

    “We like the Dark Clouds,” Cross says. “We appreciate what they’ve brought, but we wanted to be able to create our own supporters group.” As the group that came second, True North Elite have had to respond to the question about how they’re different from the Dark Clouds at every turn. The answer from Cross really isn’t that complicated.

    Bisbee put it bluntly.

    “The whole clever not crude mantra seemed a little campy to us. It feels really good to tell someone to fuck off,” Bisbee says, bluntly. “I don’t want it to be clever. I want it to be plain spoken. Fuck. Off!”

    It wasn’t the first, it won’t be the last

    With that bluntness, there have been times that the True North Elite have offended others. They hold a strange juxtaposition in being in your face and yet have strong rules to never cross the line to violence, homophobia, racism, or sexism.

    When Miami FC trounced Minnesota at the National Sports Center last August, the first of the four unanswered goals was scored by former Loons midfielder Jonny Steele. True North Elite started harassing Steele whenever he got close to their section.

    “Where’d your beard go, where’d your beard go, where’d your beard go Jonny Steele – piece of shit,” they sang. According to Bisbee, Steele fired back by giving both the Dark Clouds and True North Elite the finger.

    As the game wore into the second half, Bisbee says someone told TNE that Steele had been (editor’s note: allegedly) using the term puto (an anti-gay slur) toward the Minnesota United bench. At the end of the match, Bisbee and other TNE members rushed the tunnel barricades where children were lined up to get autographs. According to some witnesses, they pushed through anyone in their way and started screaming and swearing at Miami, and Steele specifically, as they exited the field.

    The incident was a combination of things, Bisbee explained. “Some of it was the frustration from the 4-0 loss and another part was our intolerance of homophobia. It’s a hard line you have to draw sometimes. There are often times when choice words, especially in the confines of a sporting event, are just fine. Kids are going to hear swear words, they hear worse on the playground. We all did.”

    A father of two, Bisbee said it’s a good opportunity to talk to your children about certain behaviors and appropriate use of language as well as the time and place where it’s done. When asked about the words mixed with anger, Bisbee has no problem with it.

    “We tell our children to use words, not fists,” Bisbee says. “To get angry and insult someone is not out of place. It has it’s moments. To call someone a piece of shit or to fuck off, I think that’s fine. It’s professional sports, but in soccer you are just going to hear it in a much more unified voice.”

    True North Elite has had a number of flash points over the last two years. “Our group is young and still learning,”  Bisbee says. He points to an English chant they often used with the words, “put them up against the wall and shoot them.” True North Elite — unfortunately — used the chant right after the Orlando night club shooting and many in the crowd where appalled. When approached with that and seeing the hurt in people’s eyes, Bisbee said he felt bad and apologized.

    “We have owned up to our mistakes. It wasn’t our first mistake and it certainly won’t be our last,” Bisbee says. “How we learn from that without losing our edge, without losing the aggression that makes us the supporters group that we are, that’s a line we will always walk.”

    Brian Quarstad contributed to this report.

    True North Elite: We Are United from Christopher Behnen on Vimeo.


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    62 responses to “True North Elite: Aggression, Intensity, and Telling Others to F— Off”

    1. BJ Avatar
      BJ
      April 3, 2017

      I have a chant….

      So sad that he needs to curse to feel strong.
      So sad that he needs to curse to feel strong.
      Likes telling others to F Off, but being called a jerk on twitter offends Mr Bisbee.
      Jerk.

      /s

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      1. Chaps Avatar
        Chaps
        April 3, 2017

        You should meet and get to know Nicholas before you post a judgmental comment about him. One of the nicest people I know.

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        1. Brian Quarstad Avatar
          Brian Quarstad
          April 3, 2017

          Nick has been nothing but nice and polite every time I’ve interacted with him. I think there is a persona that they carry, for better or worse, when they wear the TNE colors.

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          1. Chaps Avatar
            Chaps
            April 3, 2017

            He acts no differently when he is wearing TNE colors, as he does in private. He may put out a harder persona but that doesn’t change how welcoming and kind he is.

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          2. Chaps Avatar
            Chaps
            April 3, 2017

            The shooting also took place at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, not Miami, fyi.

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          3. Tres Gatos Avatar
            Tres Gatos
            April 3, 2017

            The thing is, they create that “persona” themself by their actions. Over time it may change, for better or worse.

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        2. Kyle Silva Avatar
          Kyle Silva
          April 3, 2017

          That very well may be, but the way he came over and started yelling and swearing at our own fans and in front of children during the ATL game has turned me off of TNE forever. I agree 100% that throwing anything should never happen, but there are better ways to handle that situation. I also vehemently disagree with this statement: “To call someone a piece of shit or to fuck off, I think that’s fine.”. That incident and this article are all I know of him, but from that I am not personally impressed. That’s just my opinion, but also why I’ll never join TNE.

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          1. Chaps Avatar
            Chaps
            April 3, 2017

            He was angry in the heat of the moment when people were throwing things at opposing players (which should never be tolerated). he was held accountable for the swearing.

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            1. Kyle Silva Avatar
              Kyle Silva
              April 3, 2017

              I’m glad to hear that. As I said, I agree with the sentiment 100%, it should NEVER be tolerated (and many of us were yelling to stop), but he should have handled it better.

          2. Shenanigoats Avatar
            Shenanigoats
            April 3, 2017

            I’m glad to hear my row and I weren’t the only ones who felt that way about how TNE handled that debacle.

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        3. BJ Avatar
          BJ
          April 3, 2017

          I’m not sure what his use of language and how ‘nice’ he is have to do with each other, other than most people who are ‘nice’ don’t condone or excuse pushing and cursing in front of children.

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          1. Chaps Avatar
            Chaps
            April 3, 2017

            thanks for chiming in BJ!

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            1. BJ Avatar
              BJ
              April 3, 2017

              You are welcome Chaps!

        4. Dye Hard Avatar
          Dye Hard
          April 5, 2017

          This is terrible advice. “Someone did something crappy to you, so it’s really your obligation to ignore their actions for the moment, seek out the person who acted like jerk to you, and then spend your free time with them until you should be allowed to have an opinion. Because they didn’t treat *me* that way”

          There are so many way to respond that aren’t that gross. Seriously.

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          1. Chaps Avatar
            Chaps
            April 6, 2017

            LOL

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            1. Dye Hard Avatar
              Dye Hard
              April 6, 2017

              Which part was the funny part? I’m clearly humorless and easily frightened so you’re gonna have to explain the “LOL” to me.

              The part where I know a bunch of guys in real life who ain’t just playing at this schtick? And would be the first to advise you that ever believing “no, no it’s all just pretend” is a dangerous sucker bet if you’re unprepared for something bad to actually happen? Because “just go over there…..” is kind of a joke, but needs some work.

              Or that I got kicked out of the section once because I was going over to talk to him and someone decided I looked like I might say something mean to the guy currently boasting about telling people to fuck off when they deserve it. And it was realllllly super important to protect *him* from maybe getting his feelings hurt if I said something to him when he was hurting peoples’ feelings? Because that was definitely a joke. And, like, how could I even follow your advice then and get to know him? Hilarious, Chaps.

              There are a lot of jokes you could be laughing at happening here. Please clarify.

              If you’re just laughing at me for thinking I had anything to say here, then please allow me to directly quote one of nicest people you know and tell you to fuck off.

      2. Ben Schism Avatar
        Ben Schism
        April 5, 2017

        Nick was bang out of order in coming over and swearing at those people when they were throwing snowballs!
        First off the player in question in any other league would be getting a ban…. it’s inflammatory celebration and was done on purpose, they bloke deserved a snowball upside his head and if someone would of come storming over swearing at me and tried to stop me I would of told him where to go.

        As long as it’s not homophobic, racist etc language used, this is a working class sport and shouldn’t be sanitized!

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        1. BJ Avatar
          BJ
          April 5, 2017

          >this is a working class sport

          Not in america – Soccer is a multi ~~million~~ billion dollar business. Youth players pay $1000+ per year to play.

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          1. Brian Quarstad Avatar
            Brian Quarstad
            April 5, 2017

            Ya, was about to leave the same response. Totally agree BJ. Like it or not, it’s the same game but a different business model in countries like Canada, Japan and the US who have come to th game more recently.

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        2. Dave Laidig Avatar
          Dave Laidig
          April 5, 2017

          Don’t throw things on the field. Express displeasure, think of things to say to get under the player’s skin. Sometimes language gets a little coarse in the moment. Stage a walkout if you feel like it. All within the realm of the expected. But don’t throw things on the field. The integrity of the sport isn’t ruined by introducing a basic concept of safety.

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          1. Ben Schism Avatar
            Ben Schism
            April 5, 2017

            Great disagree…. yeah there’s a lot of money in the sport the same as there is in Italian,Spanish,English leagues…. it’s still a sport played by the working class and watched by it!
            It always will be because it’s the easiest sport to pick up and play and enjoy with your friends… you just need a ball of any size and away you go.

            And again I’m disappointed with people on here…. in ANY other league that player celebrating like that would of received a fine or a ban and yet NOT ONCE has anyone said that! It’s normally understood that if you incite a crowd and invite a reaction you’re going to get one…. let’s get this straight here he asked for a reaction and got one but it was a bloody snow ball and not coins or anything that could seriously hurt you which happens in other leagues!!
            So again no problem with the crowds reaction but massive over reaction by something who paints himself a certain way.

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            1. Dave Laidig Avatar
              Dave Laidig
              April 5, 2017

              I don’t give a f*** what happens in other leagues, or what people’s jobs are. Don’t throw s*** on the field. Doesn’t matter if the player is an ass. Doesn’t mater if you had a bad day. Doesn’t matter if the capo screams obscenities. Don’t throw items onto the field. If you think it’s just snow, some copycat dipshit isn’t going to understand your self-made rule. And it will escalate. Don’t throw stuff. Period. It’s not a discussion point.

            2. Chris RB Avatar
              Chris RB
              April 5, 2017

              Yeah don’t throw stuff on the field. Ever. I don’t care what happens where or when. Don’t. Throw. Stuff. On. The. Field.

            3. Ben Schism Avatar
              Ben Schism
              April 5, 2017

              Personally don’t have a problem with it within that specific circumstance….was giving the guy finger as it was!
              But I do have a problem with someone charging over and shouting things.

    2. Brandon M Avatar
      Brandon M
      April 3, 2017

      In their trip to Portland they failed to notice that gameday isn’t what makes the Timbers Army what it is. It’s everything behind the scenes including volunteering, rec teams, brewing competitions, fundraising for soccer fields, etc. All of which builds community and comadery that leads to the expression that is gameday atmosphere.

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      1. The North is Rising Avatar
        The North is Rising
        April 3, 2017

        I’m not certain how you can comment (intelligently, that is) on what TNE noticed or “failed to notice” on our trip to Portland. Many of us took place in the TA futsal open play on the Saturday, contributed money toward their community programs, and scrimmaged with one of the youth rec teams they sponsor. Or, did you fail to notice that?

        Ask Timbers Army how the members of TNE comported themselves and represented on behalf of all United fans when we were in the Rose City. Ask them what kind of people we were when we spent the Thursday night drinking with them at Cider Riot.Or when we ran into them after the match. We know what they are doing, both on Match Day, and in their communities. We view them as a model to emulate as we grow.

        TNE are a relatively young organization, but we already have leadership positions in place organized around areas such as Community Outreach (to ALL communities) and Volunteering.

        In fact, several members of TNE recently joined Dark Clouds in volunteering for Feed My Starving Children. Or, did you fail to notice that?

        But hey, thanks for the insights.

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        1. Brandon M Avatar
          Brandon M
          April 3, 2017

          I think I can comment intelligently as I was at the events in Portland and have been an active member of Timbers Army and the Dark Clouds. TNE had a chance in this article to talk more about what they want to do outside the stadium, but chose not to. Instead, chose to discount history of soccer in Minnesota and say adding profanity to gameday is somehow more hardcore.

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          1. Bruce J McGuire Avatar
            Bruce J McGuire
            April 3, 2017

            “TNE had a chance in this article to talk more about what they want to do outside the stadium, but chose not to. ”

            TNE did not write this article. It was not their manifesto. They may very well have talked about it and it wasn’t included. Or the whole angle of the interviewer might have been, lets talk about “game day.”

            We as readers have no idea what they may or may not have chosen to talk about. That’s kinda unfair for us to judge and demand they answer every question we have ever had in this one article.

            I don’t agree some of the things TNE does or the way they do it, and at first I let it bother me. But I have given it time and go out of my way to talk to the people involved and we express our ideas in person face to face. We don’t have to agree to be able to hear each others view points.

            I will say this about TNE, the passion is real.

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            1. Chaps Avatar
              Chaps
              April 3, 2017

              Well said Bruce

    3. PaleVermilion Avatar
      PaleVermilion
      April 3, 2017

      Wasn’t a fan of this group before. Reading this article just makes me realize my dislike for them is justified. They are why I always make sure to get tickets on the other side of the stadium.

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    4. Samuel Halvorson Avatar
      Samuel Halvorson
      April 3, 2017

      This is not an accurate, or all encompassing description of our group at all and as far as I’m aware these interviews were from 3-4 months ago. Either way, enjoy commenting!

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      1. Brian Quarstad Avatar
        Brian Quarstad
        April 3, 2017

        Interviews were done about a month ago and the later portion of the article 1 week ago.

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        1. Samuel Halvorson Avatar
          Samuel Halvorson
          April 3, 2017

          Good to know, I was told otherwise. I will be speaking with members about this. Appreciate it!

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    5. Offensive Loons Fan Avatar
      Offensive Loons Fan
      April 3, 2017

      I like that TNE feel like they have a place and can express themselves in a way they feel justified, and I’m also reminded that Dark Clouds is the better place for me personally.

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      1. Tres Gatos Avatar
        Tres Gatos
        April 3, 2017

        I agree OLF ?

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    6. John Louis Avatar
      John Louis
      April 3, 2017

      Please correct “Miami night club shooting” to “Orlando night club shooting.”

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      1. Wes Avatar
        Wes
        April 3, 2017

        thanks.

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    7. Loons With Attitude Avatar
      Loons With Attitude
      April 3, 2017

      During the opening match, we supporters led with shouting the players surnames when they were announced, which was really awesome. Don’t think it was a noticeable this last match….we should continue this “tradition”, and do the same with when a goal is scored.

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      1. mixo45 Avatar
        mixo45
        April 3, 2017

        I was still doing it as were a few people around me. Just keep doing it and people will catch on.

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        1. Loons With Attitude Avatar
          Loons With Attitude
          April 3, 2017

          Yeah – could hear it, but it was faint. I’m with you, we need to keep it up.

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      2. Steve Lilly Avatar
        Steve Lilly
        April 3, 2017

        Been doing it for years, so much more fun when they were lined up in front though.

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      3. Matt Avatar
        Matt
        April 3, 2017

        I agree, would be great after goals are scored especially. This will hopefully come with time as the overall fan culture evolves/matures, and there is a greater overall knowledge/affection for the players among a newer, broader fan base.

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    8. Matt Avatar
      Matt
      April 3, 2017

      Opinion from someone who doesn’t know any group members personally, but has been to a number of games in Blaine and the two games at the Bank. TNE adds so much to the game day atmosphere, and glad to see them growing as an extension of the passionate fan base for this team.

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    9. Tres Gatos Avatar
      Tres Gatos
      April 3, 2017

      I am of the mindset, the more fans the better. As long as they don’t hurt anybody, I don’t care what they call themselves or how they do it.

      TNE is definitely not for me, and I love the Dark Clouds. But atmosphere to me is key and they help contribute to a piece of the pie. We are all on the same team wanting 3 points in the standings for Minnesota each week. We simply march to a different beat. ???

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    10. DahLoon Avatar
      DahLoon
      April 3, 2017

      Posted this over on Reddit, and wanted to input my thoughts here as well.

      Honest question…..Can anybody explain to me why TNE was in their own little section on Saturday, and did not have any representation on the Capo stand? It felt *very* divided to me in comparison to the ATL match. Maybe the two groups WERE separated at the ATL game, and I just failed to notice it. Despite the “We Are United/Never Divided” chants, we…literally…..were divided. Chants were echoing. Chants were off due to improper timing between the two groups. Different chants were even happening at the same time. I felt that this greatly hindered our ability for our supporting chants to be heard clearly and most importantly loudly.

      It could just be me, but I did not get this vibe at the ATL match, yet it felt very obvious this past weekend. It seems like there are multiple instances where I have to make a choice, despite loving both groups for different reasons. I have to choose which pregame to go to, as they are divided. I have to choose which watch party to go to, as they are divided, and we have to choose to either sit in front of the capo or off to the side, because it appears that they are divided. It gives off a “kid in a divorce” vibe, where I have to choose between my TNE scarf or my DC scarf. If I go to Town Hall, I feel shitty for not going to Nomad. If I go to Nomad, I feel shitty for not going to Town Hall. Feels bad, man… 🙁 In summary, I wish that the two groups felt more united, but it seems to have gotten only more divided.

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      1. Dave Laidig Avatar
        Dave Laidig
        April 4, 2017

        I understand the desire to have a unified presence. It’s pretty cool when a large crowd is acting in unison. But I also think the whole point of having a separate group is to allow people to do their own thing. It’s unreasonable to expect unique groups would overlap 100%. And it will be messy, and probably conflict at times. But it’s the nature of diversity.

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      2. BJ Avatar
        BJ
        April 4, 2017

        I’m not a fan of TNE.

        I think, rumor is, they moved because ‘casual’ fans threw beer at players last game, so them moving is helping to police that kind of thing. If True, very good move. Thumbs up.

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        1. Daniel Avatar
          Daniel
          April 4, 2017

          BJ this isn’t true. The real reason is because of the capo reaction to the snow incident, 1 tne capo was not allowed for the game as a punishment, so the other decided that they would not stand on the capo stand alone.

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          1. BJ Avatar
            BJ
            April 4, 2017

            Thanks.
            Not sure what the ‘snow incident’ is or what the reaction you are referring to is. But the rumor going around the stadium was that someone (NOT TNE) threw something (beer was the story I heard) at Atlanta Players, and TNE moved into the area so people would stop doing it.

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            1. Daniel Avatar
              Daniel
              April 4, 2017

              Fans were throwing snowballs at the players, and one tne capo reacted quickly to squash it with swear words- which many people did not like. (there may also have been a beer thrown, i only saw snow)

            2. Kyle Silva Avatar
              Kyle Silva
              April 4, 2017

              I was in the section and saw only snow personally. As I mentioned in previous comments, I totally agree with the sentiment behind trying to stop it because that should never happen, it was just unfortunate the way he tried to go about stopping it. If he’s raising his kids to swear and act that way, that’s fine, they’re his kids and that’s his choice. However, I do not think it was ok to go over and say the things he was saying into the mic in front of so many other children. That being said, I think just a talking to with him after the game to explain why he handled it incorrectly should have sufficed, but I can see why they would ban him for the 1 match. I’m sure he’s learned his lesson and I look forward to cheering along with him at the next match.

            3. Daniel Avatar
              Daniel
              April 4, 2017

              He just got caught up in the heat of the moment during a frustrating game. Shouldn’t have been done, he owned it, it was handled and hopefully won’t happen again. It was not a club punishment but a SG one.

            4. Ben Schism Avatar
              Ben Schism
              April 5, 2017

              Personally I don’t think anyone should of been stopping it….

    11. MmattN Avatar
      MmattN
      April 4, 2017

      This was a good read, thanks BQ and TNE leadership for doing this. TNE came around at the right time, long ago before the Dark Clouds were a thing and at the collapse of the Thunderheads (clash with FO over profanity/lawnchairs/megaphones), the “clever not crude” idea came about. Why? small group of jackasses, pissing off the small number of fans, causing more trouble than good for the FO over the use of certain words became a no brainer, dump the curse words.

      Now, though we don’t have to worry about survival or attendance growth beyond anemic. So it is inevitable that people will have a desire to support the club how they wish. I don’t agree with the curse words; still find it lacking in creativity, but at this point, the energy the TNE brings to the Loons supporters section I wouldn’t want them to leave.

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      1. RC Moore Avatar
        RC Moore
        April 4, 2017

        I was one of the original thunderheads my dad and his best friend were the founders of the thunderheads and the clash with the FO at the time had nothing to do with profanity because we didn’t use any. Back then we use to do a lot of things for them on the side like parades with Thor the mascot etc… The issue came about when there was a 4th official with the league that decided before the season that loud supporter groups were not good for the game and that us sitting behind the goal was not acceptable. (we were just as far back as how people were along the north end at NSC). The issuse was the front office wouldn’t support their own supporters group when this 4th official finally went on a power trip during an open Cup game threatening to make the team forfit (which they the official couldn’t actually due) if we didn’t move us out from behind the end of the field. (mind you we were already back 15 yards from the end touch line and 15 yards over from the center of the goal). So issue was never had an issue with profanity from us. They just had no spine to support their own supporters.

        Heck as a kid back then saw worse profanity and jestures from opposing teams players (i.e. being told to suck it while being flashed). Then any supporter group then or now

        Also back in those days if you tried to get any chants going up in the crowd you were given dirty looks by the people around you. The supporters culture now is a lot different then it was back then and honestly the stuff we did back then was tame compared to the stuff now. Hell I think the worst chant we every did back then was “the referees a wanker” and even that was few and far between when that was used

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        1. MmattN Avatar
          MmattN
          April 4, 2017

          You are right that it wasn’t a one off thing but what I remember the final straw being was at a grassbowl game. Two members wanted to position themselves, one on each side of the goal, with their lawn chairs and megaphones. Some sort of argument ensued and that was that, the Thunderheads left. Which I thought was crazy to fight over cause I was sitting less than ten yards from them on the end line with my big ugly drum, thunderheads t-shirt, and had no problem. Shoot maybe I was sitting next to you.

          I know the Thunderheads never had any uniformed profane heckling/chants but there was from time to time rather crude things yelled at opposing players by individuals (myself included). After the Thunderheads went kaput those who were still attending the games had the same troubled relationship with the FO and were booted from a game or two.
          Maybe it wasn’t one to one, maybe it was all Djorn but once the attitude that using profanity caused more problems and harm than good did it seem like there was more harmony between FO and supporters. Not that it was perfect, or that people still didn’t have issue with the supporters and complain about them.

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          1. RC Moore Avatar
            RC Moore
            April 4, 2017

            Yeah that was the game what happens was the forth official had sent security over to move us back5 yards more and over 10 yards more my dad told security if the forth official wanted us to move more then they should come over and pace it off because we had already move back once. That is when forth official told the GM of the thunder that if we didn’t move that they would forfit. The GM came over to us we told him the situation and that’s when we left due to the way the GM treated us.

            The whole thing was an on going thing with this specific forth official. Before the season in a referee certification class that this official was teaching they talked about the thunderhead and how if they had their way we would not be there, not realizing my dad my younger brother and I were that class. When the whole class laughed at them and they asked what was so funny about that some one said “the thunderheads ringleader is right there” while pointing to my dad. That is when my dad flipped the law book around and said “where in the laws does it say we can’t be there? And where in the laws of the game do you control what the fans can and can’t do out side the field of play?” They couldn’t answer because it didn’t say that anywhere in the laws of the game. Basically that offical ended up harassing us the whole season and the FO wouldn’t support us after all the extra support we gave them and that game was the breaking point.

            My brother is now on the capo stand for the dark clouds. And last year we made some tie dye shirts with a DETHLOON logo that tributes the old Thunderheads

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            1. Jim Oliver Avatar
              Jim Oliver
              April 5, 2017

              Those shirts are dope.

            2. MmattN Avatar
              MmattN
              April 5, 2017

              that is awesome to read bout your brother and the dethloon tie dye. Next time I’m out at a game I’ll try and hunt ya out and say hi.

            3. Tom G. Avatar
              Tom G.
              April 5, 2017

              Would love to see an article telling about the supporter’s groups pre-Dark Clouds days. Really interesting to hear. Thanks for sharing!

            4. MmattN Avatar
              MmattN
              April 5, 2017

              That would be pretty cool. Shoot I heard a crazy story one day from a fan who him and his brother attended striker games and would wear buckets on their head while heckling the opposing keeper.

              Beyond that just reading about the early game day experience from fans would be awesome. I’ve only heard tiny bits here and there and always enjoyed finding out just how simple and small the revival of pro-soccer was in MN, after the kicks/strikers.

    12. GBA123 Avatar
      GBA123
      April 4, 2017

      If two thirds of your name is you telling people how hardcore you are, and how you’re a better fan than they are, you’re doing it wrong.

      The aesthetic of “True North Elite” is “I drink too many energy drinks, love attention, and think the Jersey Shore stars are cool.”

      You make me embarrassed to be an American soccer fan. Grow up, your ‘tude blows chunks, duuuuude.

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